For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight.
~ 1 Corinthians 3:19
The mind of God (assuming such a thing exists) is a truly incredible and incomprehensible thing. Not only is it able to keep tabs on the sins and actions of billions of people, but it also maintains a massive database of even the most seemingly irrelevant details, like how many hairs are on each person’s head (Luke 12:7, Matt 10:30). What’s more, the mind of God is constantly monitoring the prayers of billions of people (though I suspect most of these prayers just go directly into His junk mail folder).
So compared to God, I think it’s fair to say that we humans are dumber than a box of rocks. In fact, if we humans are made in the image of God, we must surely be a severely retarded image of that God. And this raises a few questions worth pondering: 1) Why did God severely limit our intelligence compared to His own? 2) Why would God find it gratifying to win the affections of ignorant nitwits?And 3) why are we humans able and permitted to build “thinking machines” that can far outperform many of the functions of a brain designed by God?
God and robots
There’s an old saying in Christian circles that says, “God gave us free will because He didn’t want a bunch of robots worshiping Him,” (though I can’t imagine why not, robots are awesome!). In other words, God could’ve made us all so that we would naturally desire to worship and adore Him, but He preferred to give us a choice. (Sure, some critics will argue that it’s not much of a free choice when the only alternative is eternal damnation, but we’ll pretend that isn’t a problem for now.)
While God may not find satisfaction in receiving adoration from mindless droids, He does — strangely — find satisfaction in receiving adoration from almost-mindless humans. Sure, we may have free will, but are we really intelligent enough to use it? I imagine, to God, this must be similar to how we feel about getting adoration from a dog. Dogs don’t have to love us, but they’re not really all that bright, either.
Man vs. computer
What’s also a bit strange is that God doesn’t prevent us from building machines that can actually compensate for our own biological shortcomings. For example, we can build a computer that can solve millions of mathematical equations per second. Meanwhile, we’re lucky if our own brains can solve one per second! (Though we shouldn’t feel too bad about this, it’s just the way our brains were “designed.”)
If it’s important to God that our brains be poor at performing math (important enough that He should design us without this ability), why would He allow us to build machines that could potentially negate His intentional deficiency? And if it doesn’t matter, then why not just design us with brains that don’t suffer from this lack of functionality? How exactly did God come to make such a decision?
God: “So Jesus, how many mathematical calculations per second do you think we should allow the human brain to do?”
Jesus: “A few million should suffice, since you’re going to allow them to build machines that can do that anyway. You can’t very well have their brains being outperformed by their own machinery, or they’ll start to wonder why they’re able to build better calculating machines than you!”
God: “Millions!? I was thinking more along the lines of… like… one.”
Jesus: “One!? At that rate, it’ll take them forever to even make the slightest progress! It’ll take them thousands of years just to invent the pocket calculator!”
God: “Well that’s just it, I don’t want them progressing too quickly, I’d prefer to hold them back for as long as possible.”
Jesus: “Fine, but don’t come cryin’ to me when they invent the Internet and start publicly denouncing your weird design choices.”
God: “Pfft, the Internet… that’ll take them forever.”
And it’s not just math, our brains are inferior to computers in other ways. Our brains do not come pre-loaded with useful information, it takes a long time to install new information, and once it’s installed, our memory is inherently unreliable. We’re also horrible at sorting large amounts of information; we have difficulty performing more than one complex task at a time, and our brains are not easily networked together.
While our brains are far more creative and can help us to experience emotions (for better or for worse), they’re nowhere near as powerful as some computers. Computers can now kick our butts at every game from chess to Jeopardy. And computers are already starting to be better than doctors at things like diagnosing and treating patients. And in the future, computers will be relied upon to help us with more and more of our everyday decisions.
If computers could ever be made to truly think as we do, they will no doubt find their creators to be a huge disappointment. They will quickly realize that we had to make them because our own minds were far too inefficient to be of much use when it came to advanced problem solving. For them, I imagine, it would be like us meeting God and discovering He made us far smarter than Himself.
Conclusion
While it’s strange that God would desire adoration from creatures with limited intellect, we could speculate that He had good reasons for inhibiting our intellect. For example, if we were too smart, we might quickly figure out what life is all about, thus spoiling some test or experience that God had planned for us.
But if there is no God, then our brains are not inferior to God, they are actually superior to most other animals (I say “most” because some animals are actually better at performing certain mental tasks than we are).
Advanced functionality (like processing math equations) may not exist in nature because 1) it’s biologically impossible, 2) it would require actual foresight and planning to produce, or 3) at no point in our evolutionary history did a gradual change toward such functionality improve our chances for survival or our ability to reproduce. And let’s face it, nature doesn’t select for clever minds that like to calculate, she selects for concupiscent minds that like to copulate (which is, no doubt, why we find ourselves fantasizing about sex and not math… though we shouldn’t feel too bad about this, it’s just the way our brains were “designed”).
So in the end, I’d have to call this one a draw. It’s a fascinating question to ponder, but I don’t know that this particular line of questioning leads us to any important answers. If God does exist, He may have dumbed us down to keep some things a secret, and if He doesn’t exist, then nature did the best she could with what she had.
Did you read apologetics on this?
We are this dumb because of the imperfection we inherited from Adam’s sin. In Heaven or Paradise, we will be restored to the way God intended and be almost as smart as God.
Seems sound to me according to religious logic. Overall, nice premise, but underwhelming question. =( But don’t worry, I still enjoy you and your writing style! The dialogue between God and Jesus was comedy GOLD!
That’s a fair point.
I did consider the possibility that Adam was perfect and we’ve been degrading ever since we left the Garden (which was what I believed as a Christian), but certainly the brain that most men and women have today is exactly what God anticipated we would have. In a sense, God must’ve said at some point, “I’m going to give mankind THIS kind of brain, and only Adam and Eve will be the exception.” (Although… if they were outsmarted by a snake, how smart could they have really been? lol.) So I think the questions still hold, since this is the kind of brain we currently have to work with, and the kind of brain God knew we’d have. But I appreciate the honest assessment. 😉
Even if God knew we would end up like this, there isn’t much God could have done if you want to take the Bible serious, aka again, God logic, or Christian logic, or whatever pseudo-logic you want to call it since Adam sinned. If you ignore the “being outsmarted by a snake” part and assume God would have created super-intelligent beings like himself, there isn’t much evidence in their logic to say otherwise.
You’d also think a thoughtful, forward thinking god would design his “masterpiece” so as to not have to re-learn EVERYTHING past generations ever bothered to learn 😉
Damn it! Why did Adam and Eve have to eat the “forbidden” fruit from the tree of knowledge? Wait, why was the tree there in the first place? Were there other safer fruit trees or some nuts somewhere to snack on instead? Why couldn’t they have developed an appetite for say… white dove? 😉
I wonder though if we humans really are the superior creatures on this planet. The Hive Mind (ants, bees, etc.) are so much more efficient and productive and in many ways more adaptable than much of the human race. If aliens arrived here seeking a beneficial intelligence, I think they would demand “Take me to your ant.” and abduct all of them and leave humans behind.
Professor Taboo, once again I am divided between the hilarity and intelligence of your response. You are one of the few people I know, including myself 😉 that can manage to give a quite intelligent response while simultaneously being a smart ass!!
As the great philosopher Garfield once stated: “I resemble that remark!”
If they were smart, they would’ve eaten from the tree of life BEFORE eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
OMG, this is such a good remark and should have been in your original article! This is really good.
Very much agreed Sir.
I began to think of the story of the Tower of Babel, while reading this entry. 🙂 “God” had to stop work on a sky scraper in order to prevent people from……yet here we are, with computers. Hmmmm.
Also, to Garbonzo, People were created with ‘the dumb’ in the beginning. Remember that big ole tree in the Garden of Eden? Now, what was that tree called again? Ohhhhh and Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat from it because god wanted to be the big smartie pants in the sky. (Dude! How did we not notice that we’re flat out naked??!!! Wait, what is naked???!!) Humans may have received physical imperfection and imperfect lives via the choice to eat the fruit, but their mental imperfection, ie ‘the dumb’ was given to them by god at creation and not, as you assert, a result of Adam’s sin.
I think it was this sort of thinking that got Socrates executed. When you start to question the status quo, the silly parts soon reveal themselves and begin to unravel very quickly.
Ignorance is bliss. The thinkers among us will be damned for using their god-given brains, and cast into the eternal fires of hell. BTW, I think the forbidden fruit was a tomato.
Like, I said, I was parroting apologetics, which again say that the Tree of Knowledge didn’t give A&E intellect, but just morals….
Hey Guys,
Guess no one is noticing the irony of having intelligent, inisghtful, ordered, verbal play about how unintelligent God made us. The fact is that humanity is not only highly rational but also highly sentient, and it is with the right brain that one must process the innefable. The Bible is story telling what the soul felt and the mind rebels against. The soul wants to live forever and the mind knows that it can’t, unless the soul is right, and that is why it must be killed… Soul killers.
Jus yankin chains fellas. Now it’s ya’lls turn. 🙂
You got me! Damn.
Someone forgot to tell that to all the Religious Fundamentalists. WHAT!? The Bible is a story-book!? Like for children’s bedtime stories kind of book!? 😉
not even for children’s bed times! I once walked in on my mother reading my (then) 3 and 4 years old, the story of Solomon threatening to slice the babe in half to determine it’s parentage……EEP! I had to put a stop to bible stories being told to them unless it was pre approved by me….once someone has been so indoctrinated by these ‘stories’ they begin to be blinded to the actual horror of them. It was prudent for me to choose what the children were being exposed to.
Oh My G(od)oodness of the Collective Conscious! Wow! Thank the stars she wasn’t reading the Songs of Solomon, huh!?
Yep. I had a very hard time calmly telling my mother to check before reading bible stories to my children, after my 4 year old asked me if I would listen to god when he told me to kill her….this after being read the story of Abraham and Issac.
This is why I have such a difficult time getting through to people about how heinous so many of the events in the bible are….they’re accustomed to hearing it and so are desensitized, they are also accustomed to the ‘bedtime story’ version of it which glosses over the nasty, and highlights the rainbow and so people forget that it is entirely inappropriate to share with littles.
My four year old son threw his toy onto the roof while playing, so we bought him another. (I didn’t own a ladder at the time.) About a week after buying him another, the wife noticed he had two of them. He explained he had climbed his way onto the roof by way of the neighbor’s fence so he could retrieved the original. When we scolded him and told him how dangerous that was, he explained that there was nothing to worry about because Jesus was looking after him.
goodness! How big was the brick you shat?
Reminds me of when TMNT was new and children were wanting to climb into sewers to see if they could hook up with them. Stories affect children’s imaginations and we must be so careful.
As a Christian, it does feel like a contradiction to have to say: “God takes care of us… but you still need to look both ways before crossing the street.”
Maybe tell her you don’t believe there is a God (I’m assuming), but only some people do (like your mom) if you haven’t already?
Yes, we did have that conversation afterward. It was a struggle to decide what to do, I wanted to avoid influencing her opinions on belief systems and I was concerned that I would do damage to her relationship with her Grammy by what I said…..I do have a lot of hostility to the evangelical christian belief system which I didn’t want to pass on ….. She’s 13 now and a wonderfully free thinker. I don’t handle our discussions with kid gloves anymore. 🙂
That’s so great to hear. Just being honest is the way to go for sure.
Exactly! The stories are far too graphic and shocking for children. But you’re so right that once indoctrinated, people don’t bother to think. Noah’s ark, for instance, sounds tame until you realize you’re telling kids god killed everyone and destroyed everything on earth. Parents, children, babies, dogs, cats, horses, trees, houses, farms, towns–EVERYTHING!
Oh I N I,
I strongly disagree. This is anything BUT an intelligent, insightful, ordered, verbal play. 😉 We’re more like a bunch of smart monkeys, pounding on keyboards, trying to figure out how the hell we got here because mother nature hasn’t given us the brains to figure it all out.
Soooo… if you’ll just let me kill your soul now, that’d be greeeeeat (kidding, of course, they probably don’t even exist). 😛
Greeeat! Peace bros.
Peace.
Great one, 500Q!
Another insightful post which, as usual, has no conclusive answer. But then I guess it’d be no fun if there was. Oh wait…if we don’t figure this out, we might be spending eternity in the fires of hell..that’s just crash, isn’t it? Sadly, I wasn’t made intelligent enough to figure it out. Or maybe I wasn’t made dull enough to just go with whatever feels like it’s right.
The problem is that Christianity (and other religions) appeal to the emotions. And one of the most common things that you hear from people is “Don’t think. Feel” and that’s meant to be God ‘talking’ to you. Which is all sunshine and butterflies, except that feelings alone can get VERY inaccurate. I’ve also just remembered that Hitler always wanted people not to think, but feel, which is what the people ended up doing, because he had so much authority and conviction in his speeches. I think the result of them doing that is enough to stop me doing the same.
Thanks Alpha,
I think emotions have A LOT to do with it, especially with Christianity. Tune into any Christian radio station, and you’ll hear songs dripping with emotions about how much God loves us, and we love Him, and how He will protect us from all the things we fear in this life and the next. Even Pascal’s Wager is a fear fallacy, it says: “You should believe not because anyone has proved anything, but out of fear of what could happen if you don’t.”
But ya, multiple religions have an emotional appeal, but emotion alone won’t help us to identify which one is correct.
Brilliant question and exposition 500Q. Another explanation than that due to human fallen nature, given some Christian philosophers, is that we are created, both humans and angels, in an epistemological distance from God to allow freedom of will. I have not study in depth this thought so I do not know how correct or not, it is.
I think Tez misunderstood Adam and Eve doctrine of the fall. Common problem is that we a living in times where most Christians and nonChristian do not understand how to exposit ancient near East(ANE) text. We read the Bible as a modern literature forgetting the context, culture, and background of ANE.
Example a tree of knowing good and evil, was not consider as a literal tree but the attitude of pronouncing something good or evil which central to life. This was thought to be God’s prerogative. When Adam and Eve were thought to eat from the tree, they pronounced good what God pronounced evil. They became like God in pronouncing what is right and what is wrong. It also in the some thought that Christians think of the person and work of Jesus as a tree of life.
If this is true, then I think we should try to understand the passages in their ancient literature context before we agree or disagree with what it say. This also applies to Paul’s letter to Corinthians. What was the context, background and understanding of foolishness, wisdom, and God?
If we try to understand, it may give some light, even if we hold that God does or not exist.
-Prayson
I have a degree in religious studies prayson. I do understand.
The problem becomes when people choose which portions of the bible are metaphorical and which ones are literal…a problem even if one does posit the culture correctly.
On one hand, people in the christian church believe the creation to be a literal six day event….on the other hand the death proclaimed imminent after eating ‘the fruit’ is to be a metaphorical death, a spiritual death via separation from god.
So in each passage of the bible we come across, we have groups of christians declaring metaphor and groups proclaiming, literal…we are left with needing to look at things with humor and alternative ideas and even derision
An understanding of the context of the day, in terms of the near east culture, practices, beliefs and ideals does not create the ability to understand which portions of the bible are literal and which are metaphorical.
Even the most renowned theologians and exegesists and hermeneuticals around the world do not agree on that.
Having a degree in religious studies does not necessarily mean one is train in ANE exegesis. As I have zero understand and cannot exposit ANE Coptic literature.
The context, genre, background and common sense would help to understand which literature or passage is metaphorical. People’s belief in Christian church does not make a text correct or false, both critics are called, as we would with Shakespeare, try to understand what the text meant then before applying it.
“The context, genre, background and common sense would help to understand which literature or passage is metaphorical.”
Nonsense.
How so?
The only things context, genre, background and common sense can help us extrapolate from text are possible interpretations or plausible meanings, they cannot point to metaphor or literal subtext with surety, it is all speculation.
If they give possible interpretations or plausible meanings, then they do point to metaphor, unless metaphors are not included in possible interpretations or plausible meanings. 🙂
If what you’re saying is ““The context, genre, background and common sense gives possible interpretations or plausible meanings which show us which passages of the bible to take literally and which to take as metaphorical”
Then your logic might be flawed. there is suggestion but it is speculative and not certain. it leaves holes for too many variations of adherence and practice.
Sadly, this is what a lot, if not *most* Christians believe. In my old religion, Jehovah’s Witnesses, they believe the Bible can explain itself if you just read it carefully and most JW’s believe this. I didn’t realize this falsehood until after I left and saw different interpretations of scriptures that were just as reasonable as the interpretations I was taught to believe, some even more so.
This is how religious sects operate and get people to convert. “Your religion doesn’t make sense because the Bible says this, not that, and I’ll show you why…” It makes sense and people convert, they don’t realize other interpretations make just as much sense sometimes because they don’t research, they just take their new teacher’s word for it.
I’m going on a limb here, but maybe this is taught to them from early childhood in public (and some private) school systems. You are supposed to take what your teacher says for granted and you are tested really on what the teacher says or what a book says. It works when what the book says or what a teacher says is right, but it isn’t teaching the child critical thinking.
I don’t understand why people say critical thinking cannot be taught. Sure it can. It may not mean that people will use it, but it can be taught. Critical thinking should be studied and re-studied as much as basic math. Students can be given two short stories with dissenting opinions and students should pick which one is right by using reason and logic. “This is wrong because ***.” They should also be taught logical fallacies and how to debate. Some schools have debate clubs. This shouldn’t be optional; at least some of it. When I went to public school in the Bible Belt (I don’t know if this has to do with it), I was never taught anything like what I mentioned. I’m not sure what other schools are like in the country and the world.
I remember something in Texas that said something about not teaching critical thinking. Plainly obvious and out loud. It was ridiculous.
Yes, but possibility and plausibility of a given passage meaning increases or decreases given background, context and genre data.
Example, what is the plausibility that when in is record that John spoke of Jesus as a Lamb of God that take away sin of the world, he meant literally Jesus was a lamb with four legs given as sacrifice? The plausibility is low since the context gives as Jesus a a human being, and background data gives ad lamb of God was a Jews symbol of atonement as it was given in there place for the forgiven of sin, and genre, memoirs of Jesus, helps know that we are dealing with historical account.
So I do not understand why you deemed context, genre, background and common sense as helping to understand what the writer meant. 😉
You grabbed one passage that your theory fit and declared your theory good.
6 days of creation? How does context et. al. support deciding if this is literal or metaphorical?
descriptions of heaven? same question.
‘born again’? same question
Jonah ‘swallowed’ by a ‘big fish’? same question
a legion of angels coming from heaven?…..
a tower to the heavens?……
offspring outnumbering the stars?…….
dead or asleep, Jarius’ daughter?……
you shall surely die?…….
So, please show me how these passages appearing in the bible, are denoted clearly, via context etc. as literal or metaphorical.
No I did not Tez. Easy friend. I was just showing that context, background, genre and common sense increases the plausibility or possibility of a given reading thus not nonsense as you deemed it.
We could look together at Genesis 1-2 account, bring in scholars to help with background, context and genre and see if how we could go about. Would you like that Tez?
Nope. I just want you to answer my questions using your logic.
The logic that genre, background, context and common sense gives plausible or possible reading?
You fired 10 questions Tez and if you are guanine interested to know how I would use context, genre, background and commonsense we could exchange mails.
Might as well continue. I’m reading these too. =)
You’re suggesting that if I am genuinely wanting you to answer the questions I posited, I should share my email with you? “I don’t think so, Tim.”
Let’s do this here, we may as well enlighten them too.
The question I referred to wanting your answer to was this post “please show me how these passages appearing in the bible, are denoted clearly, via context etc. as literal or metaphorical.”
Thank you for your time.
“I don’t think so, Tim.” I LOVE IT!
Yes, enlighten me, too. In the years I’ve asked “believers” to justify their beliefs, I haven’t had one single person give me a real, solid, reason. Not one. And I’ve been waiting for a solid answer for decades. As my son said to me so many times, “People just believe what their parents’ believed.” He found that concept revealing, amazing, and unbelievable. “What sort of belief-system is that?!!” I told him most people don’t think very logically, they think mostly emotionally. That’s why the vast majority of advertising appeals to “emotion” rather than “logic.”
People’s egos are so intertwined with their emotions that it’s almost impossible for most to truly think logically. To set aside whatever they believe and evaluate the facts without emotional baggage. Instead, I see religious people twisting and contorting facts and logic to the point of making a pretzel look straight by comparison.
To me the biggest irony is that the bible (and other such texts) actually push me (and others) away from religion. They prove to me that the vast majority of religious people simply cannot think on their own. The worst are the ones who simply quote one biblical verse after another. They seem to have become nothing but mindless robots, parroting only the biblical data fed into their brains. Why then did God make people so easily deceived and unintelligent? Really–WHY? It’s utterly irrational. The only answer which seems to make sense is that we evolved from lower life forms, retaining most of their traits, both good and bad.
So yes, please enlighten me. But do so without using any pre-programmed mental “factoids” or quoting biblical texts. Tell me why; rationally, logically and with as little ego and emotion as possible.
Well it appears that Mr Prayson has declined to continue this discussion. Shame really. Just when it was getting good. 🙂
We didn’t really expect him to, now did we? I’ve noticed whenever anyone gets specific on message boards, the believers usually seem to back down. Either that or they start calling names like “Christian Hater” or the like.
As for why God would make us so unintelligent, I disagree with the premise. Most people seem to be plenty intelligent, when they actually put their brains in gear and use them, that is. I would have the utmost respect for the truly rational and thoughtful person who can explain to me why they believe everything that’s in the bible. But if such a person exists, I’ve never heard of them.
This is my blog, so you’re not allowed to disagree with my premise. 😉
I’m kidding, of course. But just to clarify, we’re only unintelligent in comparison to the Biblical God. If no such entity exists, then we are actually quite intelligent, and nature has done an astounding job getting us this far.
Now I have to really disagree. 🙂 This Biblical God of yours is pretty f***ing stupid if you ask me. Here’s a guy with unlimited power, but he spends six whole days creating the universe. Did he misplace his magic wand for a week or what?
And He knows everything which will ever happen, but gets surprised when humans misbehave. That’s pretty dumb if you ask me. Then instead of just fixing the humans (which he could do in an instant with his unlimited powers) he gets angry and kills them. Not once, but over and over again. This guy is not only stupid but in serious need of psychological counseling if you ask me.
But what do I know? I’m just a stupid human!!
P.S. Do you think I should have capitalized “guy” since I was referring to “God”? 🙂
I noticed I didn’t always capitalize “He”, but then again, I don’t think we should. It seems to me we should capitalize “God” whenever we’re using the word as a name. But then again, people don’t capitalize “idiot” when they’re referring to ME!
I certainly won’t argue that God makes totally incomprehensible choices, but if He actually did create a Universe from nothing, and designed life, and can hear all our prayers, and knows how many hairs are on our heads, then He must have access to a lot of information and the ability to process it all. I suppose we could argue that He has a lot of knowledge but lacks wisdom? But then again, God says He’s above all of us and it all makes sense from where He’s sitting… but maybe that’s just an excuse believers came up with to explain why life is often random and nonsensical.
As for capitalization, I tend to capitalize pronouns like “He” but not others. I find that this convention actually does often help to clarify which antonym I’m referring back to (i.e. the reader understands I’m talking about God and not some other guy I may have mentioned).
Antecedent
We can asses the Bible using genre, context, backround information, common sense and such. The logical results of that, provided we are not looking them with intended special pleading, is not going to be a clear division between metaphorical and literal information from beyond the material universe, but rather just the conclusion, that these are complex and interconnected stories from a very primitive culture. They do not give an impression of a divine guidebook how to be saved from eternal torture in the afterlife, but rather a work of folklore among other such morally very questionable pieces of fiction.
Now, if there was a particular creator god, who as form of a person had created us humans and all the galaxies in the universe, it would be interresting question, why even today so many so literate human beings are so emotionally attached to the idea, that such a god’s main line of communication to us – the humanity – is this silly old book? As most of us are obviously been created too stupid to understand the book even in a remotely universal manner.
If this life is supposed to be some kind of test, for the eternal afterlife, what is the test for? To root out those who would use their free will for evil from those who would not? Is this god character not able to separate such individuals from each other by other more egalitarian means? Do not most people who end up using their free will for evil do so because of circumstances, rather than as a result of some inherent evil? And if there are people who are inherently evil, why did god create them? We are alledgedly give free will to choose what religion to follow, but such matters are not chosen by any amount of free will, rather our cultural backround and what we as products of our culture and individual lives might find plausible and on what evidence? What purpose does our free will serve? If free will can not exist without evil, then is there no free will in Heaven? If there is free will in Heaven, then the entire exercise of choosing here in this life was futile and unfair.
Why did god create humans so stupid, that even with modern scientific evidence some devoted adherents of this god are unable to accept such an obvious thing as evolution? Or in other words, why did god make me so stupid, I am unable to find any of the supernatural stuff in this alledged holy book plausible? Why, I was created so stupid, I can not even make myself to try really hard to believe any of the stuff in the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, the Mahabharata, the Edda, the Kalevala, nor any of those stories, that to me are just obvious folklore?
I think it would rather be why did he make us so smart to use logic and reason to see how bogus his supposed holy book is. Or why he created his holy book so stupid so that we see right through the bull shit.
> If there is free will in Heaven, then the entire exercise of choosing here in this life was futile and unfair.
My parents would say that this system is for weeding out those who use their free will for bad. Once in Heaven / Paradise, God already knows we won’t use our free will for bad, so there will be no bad.
There is no answer when I tell them about people with mental disorders that effect what they do, evil and non-evil.
Ask God your questions, that is if you make it to paradise. Otherwise ask the Devil.
I just found an interesting quote from Nation, by Terry Pratchett.
“Imo [God] made us clever enough to work out that he doesn’t exist.”
Imo is the God figure in the book. I think this describes the paradox of religion and logic/reason very nicely in just one sentence. (And for once this isn’t off topic!) =D Just thought you might find it interesting. Maybe.
Why was God condescending towards Adam and “thought” he was no good by himself without a woman,food? This makes no sense to make a sinless man and force him to eat food he did not need and make him feel as if hes no good by himself, when he was sinless so why would he need Eve for? Why would God want them or him to “work” for, why not instead make him to thank God for making him sinlessly perfect? They were an infantile, ignorent couple. WHy would God want to make us smell bad for and constantly have to piss and take dumps for?
That why I do not believe in god
No one give a shit in hell about the poor
Animal on earth…
They thing it a f******/ joke to hurt a poor dog or cats..
This car from a owner
That I Love my pets so much
They are my babies…
Owners name fern Lassard
My pets name Baby ginger my loving
Dog and my two cats snowball and
Jackson. …
Read Ecclesiastes.