24. Why would God create conjoined twins? (Warning, contains graphic content)

While this subject borders on the macabre, I believe that taking an unflinching look at natural extremes can provide us with important insights into how God, or nature, works.

Such unique traits are fascinating because, on the one hand, we see the miracle of creation, but on the other hand, we see that something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. Something unexpected has happened, and nature seems unprepared to handle it. And this leads us to ask some interesting questions about the existence of the individual soul, and questions about who, or what, is behind the formation of these bodies.

Dicephalic Parapagus Twins

Let’s start with the inspirational twins Abby and Brittany Helsen. While in the womb, God or nature knitted them together in an amazing patchwork of organs and bones. The way these twins are joined, it smacks of design, almost as if someone carefully crafted their two bodies so that they could continue to operate in this way.

But on the other hand, 75% of conjoined twins fail to survive. So if there is such a craftsman, he’s certainly not very good at designing viable conjoined twins.

From a spiritual standpoint, we look at Abby and Brittany and see two separate spirits, as they clearly both have unique thoughts and personalities. So, as strange as it is to say this, if the spirit exists, it seems to reside inside one’s head. But if this is true… can two spirits share one brain?

Craniofacial Duplication (Diprosopus)

Figure 1

According to a 2002 article in the medical journal Radiology, “The rarest type of conjoined twins… is diprosopus, where a child is born with two faces on one head.”

Diprosopus (which kinda sounds like a dinosaur) may not actually be a conjoined twin at all, but a duplication of the face caused by an excess of the (I kid you not) Sonic Hedgehog protein.

In the case of Figure 1, it was found that some of the brain’s frontal lobes were also duplicated. But having these extra brain bits didn’t seem to translate to having an extra soul or dual personalities.

Figure 2

Indian-born baby Lali (Figure 2) has an even more pronounced second face. She too likely has the same (if not more) duplication of brain matter. But how much brain matter can be duplicated before we’re asking “Is this one person with two faces, or two people sharing one brain?” or “Did God insert one soul or two?”

My guess is that any extra brain matter would become integrated into one singular sense of self. This is hinted at by the fact that baby Lali blinks all four of her eyes simultaneously.

Figure 3

More disturbing is when there is a lack of the Sonic Hedgehog protein, which can cause facial features to lack separation, sometimes resulting in a cyclops (Figure 3).

If there is a designer, why his he allowing such things to happen? Is it necessary to have a certain number of two-headed, two-faced, cyclops babies? Are evil forces at play? Or does nature just sometimes make mistakes?

Synecephalus

Figure 4

Synecephalus (Figure 4) is a very rare type of conjoined twin where the twins share a head and face, but have four ears and two bodies. In other words, there’s little question that these are twins and not one person with duplicate features.

Again, how would God handle the soul in this case? Would he insert one soul knowing that the two minds would become one? Or does he insert two souls, which might result in a two senses of self? Or does he not even bother, knowing that this project is doomed to fail?  (And if it is doomed, why didn’t he end it sooner? Or not create it at all?)

What I find particularly interesting about Figure 4 is how both rib cages come together. These cells continued to assemble themselves, assuming they were in the correct location. While nature may not have noticed that something had gone wrong, an intelligent designer should have, and should’ve terminated the project much earlier.

Craniopagus

Between these extremes are varying levels of craniopagus, where two twins are conjoined at the head. This type of conjoined twin is especially noteworthy because it can result in a partially shared brain.

Take the case of Canadian twins Tatiana and Krista Hogan (Figure 5). These adorable twins, born in 2006, have been the subject of several news stories and documentaries. As they learn to speak, they’re teaching us more about what it means to share part of a brain.

Figure 5

It’s said that Tatiana and Krista share a thalamus, which connects their brain stems, and it appears this allows them to share some brain signals. They have shown many signs of being able to pick up on the other’s sensory input, and they often do things in unison. But each also has her own independent personality.

If these two girls share overlapping brains, do they also share a percentage of a soul? If they each shared half a brain, would they have 1 soul, 1.5 souls or two?

Parasitic Twins

Lastly, and perhaps most disturbing, are parasitic twins.

Unlike conjoined twins, a parasitic twin ceases development during gestation and becomes a partially developed vestigial formation upon the body of the other twin.

Parasitic twins come in random shapes and sizes, and some even become completely entombed inside their twin. The cells of these parasitic twins find a way to survive, even where they were never intended.

One type of parasitic twin is craniopagus parasiticus, where a parasitic head of a twin is attached to the head of another twin.

In craniopagus parasiticus, God or nature doesn’t even bother to give a body to the poor parasitic head, so it has no chance of surviving on its own. Even if the head is conscious, doctors must remove it in order to give the more developed twin any chance at a normal life.

From a spiritual perspective, one wonders if God gives parasitic heads a soul, and why he would allow such a cruel thing to happen to these children and their parents. Why would God force us to kill an infant, so that its twin may survive?

From a naturalist perspective, I can see how a developing parasitical twin might think its needs are already being met, and fail to produce a second body.

The other 75%

But most of the above photos are of survivors. Few of us ever see pictures of the majority of conjoined twin that don’t survive.

Figure 6

Take, for example, the conjoined twins in Figure 6. In this case, the one twin died because its brother was growing directly out of his face, in the form of a garbled mess.

How could a good God knit together something like this in a mother’s womb (Psalm 139:13)? Can God even put a soul into a mangled mess without a head? Why allow it if God can’t possibly use it? Or are we just looking at a tragic mistake of unguided nature?

Who, or what, forms our bodies?

There’s no question that life is complex. I find it miraculous that a few cells can multiply and grow into such complex organisms, replete with close-knit bones, organs, muscles, nerves, etc. How does each cell know where to go and what to become? There seems to be some central command orchestrating the entire project. But where is this oversight when it comes to conjoined twins?

These bizarre mergers do not appear to be intentionally malicious. If Satan is behind them, why not just kill them instead of conjoining them? Why combine them in random ways? With random amounts of success and failure?

Nor do these mergers speak to the work of a benevolent God, who is creating something new and magnificent. If God forms them in the womb, why does He fail so badly (Jeremiah 1:5)?

Rather, these mergers appear undirected and unintentional, with each cell going about its own business, trying to integrate itself within the whole. When a cell runs up against something unexpected, like a twin, it latches on and says “Eh, close enough.”

What might we expect if God forms our bodies?

If we are being intelligently designed, we might expect the designer to look upon twins about to conjoin and say “No, no, no, that’s all wrong!” Or at least provide adequate programming so that “Cell A” knows never to merge with “Cell B.”

If God exists, it appears as if he not interfering with the natural world he created. But if God is still in charge of creating new souls and inserting them into babies, he must remain somewhat involved. How can he command the soul-creation process, yet not dictate that twins should always remain separate?

It’s difficult to imagine that God is currently up in Heaven bemoaning this situation to Jesus…

“What’s wrong, God?” asks Jesus. “Oh, nothing, I just had to insert some new souls into a freakish parasitic twin.” “Did you make it appear completely random?” “Yes, of course, we can’t have everyone down there thinking these mistakes are intentional. Still… it makes me so very sad because I love them so much.” “Well… you are an all-powerful God, can’t you just stop?” SMACK! God slaps Jesus to the ground. “See what you made me do!? Stop questioning my judgement! Why must everything I love force me to punish it so badly? My hands are tied, Jesus. My ‘perfect’ creation has listened to the talking snake, leaving me no choice but to conjoin the occasional twin.” “Yes, I suppose,” says Jesus, “But must you also conjoin animals as well?” SMACK! “Yes!” says God, “It’s all part of my plan to save mankind! It’s all necessary.”

What might we expect if nature forms our bodies?

If only nature is in control, then…

  1. The cells are calling all the shots, for better or for worse.
  2. We might expect a high failure rate.
  3. We might expect oddities like conjoined twins, because nature was never programmed to forbid them.
  4. When cells do make mistakes, we might expect them to continue forging ahead, because they don’t understand that what they’re making is doomed to fail.

The naturalist in me sees conjoined twins as nature’s unfortunate experiments. She may fail 75% of the time, but 25% of the time she gets lucky, and actually makes something fit enough to survive.

This is similar to the evolutionary process, though these mistakes are on a genetic level. When mistakes turn out to be advantageous, the organism survives and replicates. If the mutation is a disadvantage, the organism is wiped from existence. It’s just a matter of probability — create enough random mutations, and eventually you stumble upon something that works.

What nature really has going in her favor is that she only keeps her winners. As the winners continue to interbreed, they all share in all their new-found strengths.

Conclusion

If we say the soul is evidenced by one’s sense of self, then how can two twins share a sense of self? Are they sharing a soul, or are they simply sharing part of an organ that is responsible for forming the sense of self?

As for how we are formed, I would assume that any benevolent OR malevolent creator would show signs of intent, not randomness and failure. If God intends to insert a soul into a creature he loves, he should take measures to ensure it doesn’t succumb to stupid mistakes, and he certainly shouldn’t continue building something that’s destined to fail.

But nature has no intentions, she reacts only to physical and chemical reactions, which sometimes results in randomness and failure. She doesn’t create our bodies because she cares for us, and she doesn’t take measures to make sure we won’t succumb to stupid mistakes. She plods along in ignorance, oblivious to her failures. What works, works, and what doesn’t, doesn’t.

While God may have made us perfect, what we observe today is nature making random mistakes and experimenting. We do not observe God creating new lifeforms from scratch, or showing other clear signs of intent. Conjoined twins appear to be the result of such natural and random mistakes, and not an intentional design choice.

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348 Responses to 24. Why would God create conjoined twins? (Warning, contains graphic content)

  1. Hamdy Mousa says:


    Nice info for all believers in God ( Jewish, Christian, & Muslim)

    • Hi Hamdy Mousa,

      Well… nice for Muslim believers, perhaps (as its goal is to prove divine inspiration of the Quran). Most Jews and Christians would just consider it wishful thinking.

      But it does go to show how easy it is to take words from ANY religious text and, with the benefit of hindsight, give the text new prophetic meaning. The same fuzzy logic and mental gymnastic occurs with Biblical prophecy, and prophecies from other texts. But it’s just a clever mix of coincidence, hindsight, confirmation bias, and loose reinterpretations of words with ambigious meanings. We could do the same thing with many non-religious texts.

      For example, “Wreck of the Titan” written in 1898 featured a fictional ocean liner “Titan,” which sinks in the North Atlantic after striking an iceberg. In 1912, the “Titanic” sunk in the North Atlantic after hitting an iceberg. It was just coincidence, but if this book were a religious text, no doubt people would be arguing that “The only reasonable conclusion is that this description was given to the authror from God!”

      Thanks,
      500Q

      • Garbonzo says:

        I’ve never heard of that book before, but honestly, the way you describe it, that seems like way too much of a coincidence. There’s something more unexplainable afoot there in my opinion. Just like how someone put in their yearbook from 1993 that the Cubs would win the World Series in 2016. The odds of guessing that in 1993 are uncountable. At some point the odds have to get so high that you have to say it’s way too unlikely. For instance, the odds that the world will end tomorrow.

        I think the real point here is that even IF a book got a few prophecies right, it doesn’t mean it was from God or an Almighty power. It could just be an unexplained phenomenon. My friend is an empath and can tell me exactly how I’m feeling at that moment. It’s a real thing, but hasn’t been studied by science just yet.

        Look up some of Michael Persinger’s studies for instance. Remote viewing and telepathy may be a real thing, some studies on quantum mechanics have shown particles seemingly knowing about the future. So being able to see into the future may not be so impossible.

        The point is that there’s a lot we don’t know. You can’t point to God as the cause of the things we don’t know as a “god of the gaps”.

        • Hi Garbonzo!

          Back to the Future also made the popular prediction that the Cubs would win in 2015, which failed. Fact is, there are trillions of predictions (intentional or otherwise) that are made every day. Most of the unlikely ones will fail, but it’s the unlikely ones that succeed that get our attention. We notice the hits but ignore the misses.

          If you asked this same student to predict the next few winners of the World Series, it would quickly become apparent that he just got lucky. And really, with a limited number of baseball teams, the odds aren’t as improbable as they may seem. The Cubs were bound to win eventually.

          But extremely improbable events happen every second. For example, the odds of getting a Royal Flush are 1 in 649,739, yet it happens every day.

          Or if the odds of something happening to a human on a given day are 1 in a billion, it would STILL happen to 7 people, every day (and it probably seems impossible to them that such a thing should happen!).

          Or a few billion years ago, the odds that a particular set of atoms inside a star would one day come together to form you, so that you could grow up to post your exact words on the above post, in response to this exact article, on this particular day, at that particular second, are so infinitesimally small as to be considered statistically impossible — and yet, here you are.

          So impossible things happen all the time, but that doesn’t mean they are supernatural events (or that they need a “God of the gaps” to explain them).

          500Q

          • Garbonzo says:

            There’s such a thing as being too skeptical, and keeping an open mind is also a part of being a rational and scientifically-minded person. An open mind, but not so open that our brains fall out. 😉

            There’s a balance. And that means not being too skeptical or too gullible.

            There are tons of radical things on the brink of scientific research that would blow our minds and challenge our traditional worldview. In light of this, it’s not a jump to say it may be possible.

            In the case of the Cubs prophecy, the person doesn’t claim to have a permanent ability to tell the future. They had a very vivid dream of the Cubs winning in 2016. It was most likely a one-off thing. Of course it can be a coincidence. It can be a coincidence that OJ’s blood was at the crime scene too though, right? Yes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but when I look at the totality of the evidence, I realize it may not be such an extraordinary claim. I’m not 100% confident in any of this, just about as confident that OJ did it.

            Look up the Global Consciousness Project from Princeton for instance.

            There are tons of credible anecdotes like this as well. You look at one after the other after the other of seemingly sane people with these experiences of telling the future and you have to question how can all of this be coincidence. Just looking at the totality of the evidence.

            Also I don’t pretend to know the exact odds of predicting the World Series champion from 23 years prior, but I’m sure it’s higher than getting a Royal Flush or higher than 1 in a billion.

            How many people are predicting sports events like this? I’m willing to wager the number is less than you might think. I know I certainly never have, and neither has anyone I’ve ever known. You have to be quite the eccentric, or confident in your prediction to put it in your yearbook.

            Back to the Future didn’t predict anything, it was a fictional work. Every miss lends credibility to the hits, anyway. He did something no one else has done before.

            The Cubs were obviously bound to win eventually. That’s why a predicton that the Cubs will eventually win would not be much of a prediction. The odds would be near 100%.

            As for the incredible odds of being here, we can’t say for sure this is by chance, it’s not a fact. I’m not saying God did it, but what if the universe just always was? One theory is that our universe continues to expand and contract like a heart muscle. It has always been doing this and always will be. It’s fair to say that no matter what’s right about how we came to be, it’s beyond our comprehension right now, so you can’t really use that as proof just yet. We don’t even know what sparks life yet.

            I think that seemingly near improbable events happening is a tell-tale sign that there is something more to it than what we conventionally know about that event and that it deserve more scientific study.

            Some ancient people believed that weather events was caused by a diety. Other people might have said it was COMPLETELY RANDOM and we couldn’t predict these things or understand why they happen. Until someone began looking into it and now we realize why and how these events happen and can sometimes even “predict the future” and know when a weather event will happen.

            Back then, can you imagine how ridiculed someone would be by the wise men of the era if they believed weather could be predicted?

          • Scott Wesley says:

            Hey 500Q
            You clearly don’t understand either causality or correlation, Just consider your penultimate paragraph again please 🙂

            Sincerely

            A born again bible believing sinner

            • Scott Wesley says:

              By the way 500Q

              I can’t work out whether you believe the LORD and his Word and are for him, or are you against him ? I emplore you to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior. His Word is true, you can be sure of it 🙂

              A born again bible believing sinner

    • SteveTheGreat says:

      LOL I can’t beleive you idiots seriously beleive in religion, it is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even make sense it is seriously hilarious seing people like you, i guess that you also pray away cancer, if so pls go to a deserted island to die AKA where people like yopu belong.
      . If you seriously think that there is a god im sorry that im not sorry but i want you as far away from me as possible.

      THERE IS NO TRUE RELIGION ATHEISM IS THE TRUTH

    • Toma says:

      I personally don’t think God plays an active role in the conception or development of the fetus. He lays out the ground work and everything else is left up to two individuals. I feel that Conjoined Twins occur through means of contamination, poor hygiene, internal damage through some traumatic event to the reproductive organs at some point in the parent(s) life, etc, etc. Humans have been having more and more health problems, cancer is on the rise, more and more people are catching STD’s, our diets become more and more processed foods, the gov has released chemical agents into the air and water of the populace, food is going through tons of scientific altercations without any long term testing to see if it’s safe, pharmaceuticals are flying off the shelf faster than we can blink, and the list goes on. People get exposed to things daily that can ruin their reproductive organs and that’s not speculation it’s a fact! This isn’t God’s, fault it’s a man made issue.

  2. jakline says:

    Life is absolutely random. There is no other rational way to explain it. When a baby is born “normal” and healthy, people usually thank God. But when a baby is born a cyclops, or an arcadiac twin is conceived that has no heart but is a blob leeching blood from the other twin in the mother’s womb, who thanks God for that? Why does one believer receive joy and blessings while another believer gets only misery and disappointment? The answer is that famous non-answer: “it is what it is.” I believe there is a creator who set the world in motion. Since then we have pretty much been on our own. Most creatures are born and develop the way their species are designed to. There are things that increase and decrease chances of survival and health, but it’s mostly just being born at a better time in healthier circumstances than someone else. Does God love us more today in America than He did in 14th century England when millions died unthinkable deaths due to bubonic plague? And were 16th century indigenous people cursed when European settlers swooped down on North America and the South Pacific and annihilated them with disease? That just doesn’t make sense. We are told terrible things happen to innocent people because it’s God’s plan, but we cannot explain the bad because we are not capable of understanding God’s reasoning. Okay, but why not accept that things just happen? To me, it’s simpler to ACCEPT and not worry about why this prayer was or was not answered. God made you what you are. You are born into whatever situation you are born into and you do the best you can. That’s it. If you’re lucky, you get the chance to do good things for yourself and, hopefully, the planet. Tragedies are not “tests” created by God to see how the rest of us respond. That is a cruel and ridiculous notion. However, as humans, we were created with the capacity to care and help our fellow man through unfortunate events. We also have the intelligence to adjust random circumstances so they are less painful and sometimes beneficial. When a plane crashes killing everyone on board, there is no opportunity to help those dead people. But we can and do rally to help grieving survivors. Engineers study the incident and use this knowledge to improve aircrafts so such accidents do not recur. These are not mystical situations. Accidents, murders and illnesses happen, and no amount of faith and prayer will stop them. Some of us are simply fortunate to not be victims. This means we won the human lottery. We were born with four working limbs, normal organs, mental health, and we receive adequate nutrition that that allows us to grow an direct our energies toward the rest of humanity, and not spend all our time surviving our own life conditions, like chronic pain, birth defects, abusive parents, poverty, civil wars, genocide or natural disasters. It’s the luck of the humanity draw.

    • johnrosstar says:

      Jak, that’s pretty much what the bible teaches. If we’re fortunate enough to be born with a body and mind that halfway works, the onus is on us to seek God and his will and hopefully make a name that Jah will care to remember later. Hopefully we’re alive long enough for him to get a good idea of what kind of person we are before we turn back into dust. That’s why it’s important to seek his friendship and act like we give a care…that includes treating others justly etc. He’s actively looking for such persons.

  3. Georgia Jackson says:

    Our true and living God does not violate the law of Nature. Who knows what The Mother may or may not have done intentionally(in ignorance) or unintentionally,(error) that may have interferred in the process of growth. Good Example: If one drinks alcohol or do s instead of milk or healthy foods are a prime reason for birth defects and disaster. So before anyone try to blame or question God when things go wrong, we have to look at the whole entire picture. There should be lots of questions for Man also.

    • Hi Georgia Jackson,

      What is walking on water if not a violation of the laws of nature?

      Or perhaps we should update the Bible to read: “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. Until nature interfered… and, well, then your hands were tied, and you let me die with my Siamese twin in my mother’s belly.”

      If God is just going to let nature take it’s course, then there’s little difference between God not doing anything, and nature just being nature.

      500Q

  4. etta says:

    God didn’t tell you that fool and he didn’t make this mess lying demon

  5. Anonymous says:

    There is only one thing I found more disturbing than the pictures themselves and that is the author’s Irreverent and blasphemous remarks about God and his total lack of understanding of a sinful and fallen world and the consequences God warned us would happen.

    • Hi there,

      I don’t really apologize for the irreverence or blasphemy; I’m right here if God wants to smite me. But ironically, he doesn’t, and that’s part of the problem. Here I am, this beautifully irreverent and blasphemous bastard, and God does nothing. Meanwhile, he does take time out to contort unborn twins.

      It’s fine to hypothesize that “evil exists because we live in a sinful and fallen world,” and I’m no stranger to this teaching. But another possibility is that our world is the result of natural events, and what we perceive as “evil” are just random misfortunes.

      I think you would agree that God, if he exists, is no dummy. If evil MUST exist, a moral God is going to use it toward good ends. If this is true, we might to expect to see God behaving in moral ways, even when it comes to natural punishments (see #66). We should see judgements being poured out upon evil men, and NEVER upon innocent children, like those pictured above.

      The “fallen world” explanation only gets us so far. Sure, we can take every bad thing and say, “It’s somehow necessary, because we sinned!” But is it? Is it all REALLY necessary? Must animals REALLY eat one another because man sinned? If animals did not have custom-made diseases, would this somehow prevent us from choosing God? Must some people die simply because they eat a peanut? While a trusted priest molests a young boy and nothing happens. Must some children develop with deadly mutations, lest they all be born normally, and we somehow reject God because of it? Surely we would find God MORE moral for delivering healthy children to us, not less.

      There appears to be very little correlation between the natural consequences of what God labels “sin,” and random acts of nature. For example, I can blaspheme the Holy Spirit all day long, and nothing happens, even though there is nothing more offensive to God. And yet, a child of Christian parents says nothing, does nothing, and is sentenced to a horrible death. Why? If God desires for these children to grow up and make a decision about him — if it is truly God that forms them in the womb — then he is just shooting his own plan in the foot. This makes little sense.

      Either God is behaving illogically (and seemingly randomly), or these ARE random events that have nothing to do with the plans of a moral creator.

      Live long and prosper!
      500Q

      • johnrosstar says:

        That’s sort of an ultra liberal (in the political sense) mindset you have there. That God should force himself on everyone just like some just looooove big government and want a govt program for everything, even one to teach you how you wipe your bum and where no one is really to blame for their own mistakes or illnesses.
        Makes me wonder what your politics are. I don’t even vote but i’m guessing you fall in line with the new age liberals that populate both coasts.
        Let’s say a couple have a kid who was a sweet kid but around the age of 12 he started hanging with the wrong crowd, got into drugs and no longer listened to his parents. As he gets a bit older he starts being a danger to the safety of his siblings and even the parents wonder if they’ll wake up with a 12ga. pointed at their skull. So they get firm with him and he bolts from the house, runs away with his druggie girlfriend and in a couple years show up at their door with their mentally damaged, malnourished child wanting to move back in with the family. They haven’t cleaned up their life so the father tells them ‘no way, hit the road!’.
        He’s not going to let them bring their nasty influence and affect his remaining kids.
        Now YOU would find fault with all that. You’d blame the problems the child has on grand dad.
        You believe he should accept his progeny and donate his resources despite how anyone lives – it’s their business anyway. Who is the dad to push his values on his kids?!

        If you need help extrapolating the point, Jehovah is the father in the illustration…

  6. Rainey says:

    Good logic. Thank you.

  7. Daniel Ruben says:

    I know exactly how Crhistians answer this one: “Obviously there is unconfessed sin in the lives of the parents which has allowed Satan to get a foothold and cause such a travesty, allowed by God as a warning to us all.” Anything but open their eyes to the truth.

  8. Karoly Lajko says:

    In all genetic issues the most bizarre is the endless freedom what we get from God. However we have the opportunity too blow up mankind with the atomic bombs which is more freedom but we are still here now.
    The genetic issues regards us to nihilism to give up faith in God and this is what the evil want that there is no purpose of the life so we can do anything. If we know all these answers then the life become boring and we loose our free will to choose god or evil.

  9. William Francise Ellingsworth says:

    Because God is awesome and has a great sense of humor for the rest of the world to smile and enjoy… Or Sciences right and Evolution does occur through an act of biochemical mutations and sometimes the genetic codes get mixed up.

  10. Karoly Lajko says:

    I think that we have to see the border frame that God is our father and the life is a school.
    The atheists think that life is only a school where we get a grade and who can’t go to this school or can have only a very bad result in there is unjust and God will not like them.
    But off course God likes all of his sons even if they wasn’t able to go to the school or fail in it or wasn’t able to full fill all the requirements because for example children’s death or aging and illness or genetic problems and organ transplant etc.
    For the short purposes and the higher quality of life and love are necessary to bad things allowed to can happen and this is the endless freedom against slavery. Everybody have to find his own free purpose in life. Of course the reincarnation believers solve the unjust in his theories but miss the loving God purpose.

    The border frame blindness regularly mentioned in the bible.
    Matthew 7:3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
    For the atheists the speck of sawdust is our sins and the plank is the ethical problems with the intelligent design the purposeless of life and the omitted appearance of the afterlife etc. They think why do God look the speck of sawdust in our eye and pay no attention to the plank in his own eye.

    I think that in the afterlife there is a democracy so the devil is have to be tolerated and have choice and enough freedom to prove that God is in the wrong way and this is the reason that we have to suffer now in the life in the life situation.

  11. Benjamin says:

    The answer is simple. Either God is not as personal and loving as people imagine Him to be. Or He doesn’t exist. But seeing as though it is mathematically impossible for the Universe, resulting in us, to come about by chance, there must be a creator. However, die to the horrors that occur to life here, He must be leaving us to our own devices. The Christian claims these horrors are the result of sin infecting the world. The naturalist claims these horrors occur because the Universe is random and mindless. I fail to see how one would recognize a difference between the two…

    • johnrosstar says:

      At the risk of repeating myself, God is somewhat impersonal when it comes to the wicked. He distances himself from their problems to a great extent but even still, “He makes it rain upon the good and the wicked”.
      but as evidenced in the bible itself:
      Deut 32
      3 For I will declare the name of Jehovah.+
      Tell about the greatness of our God!+
      4 The Rock, perfect is his activity,+
      For all his ways are justice.+
      A God of faithfulness+ who is never unjust;+
      Righteous and upright is he.+
      5 They are the ones who have acted corruptly.+
      THEY ARE NOT HIS CHILDREN, THE DEFECT IS THEIR OWN.+
      They are a crooked and twisted generation!+

      Yea, it’s a bit of “it’s not my problem” – from God himself.
      But also as it says, “His eyes are roving about through the earth to find those whose heart is upright with him” So it’s up to us to make ourselves stand out through prayer and behaving properly -treating others right, i.e., “the Golden Rule”. You don’t need a church to do that either.

      The thing to keep in mind is that the big picture issues are being dealt with. Wickedness will be put to an end, forever. Some thousands of years to deal with the issue seems like forever in our eyes but it’s not like it’s on a ‘geologic time scale’.

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